Was Jesus gay ? Did he accept gays ?

Sawadee Khrap

To sober up,  I had to become honest with myself and seek a spiritual path or life.  My childhood faith was “Christian”  but I also had to admit that I was gay – two incompatible lifestyles – OR ARE THEY?  

Since I had to be honest with myself about being a gay man and finding “Christ” in my life .  Accepting Jesus, as the example to follow, was the best thing I have done to turn my life around, and admitting I was gay is the second.   Nor I do find any contradictions here.

Let me turn to the Bible:     “Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the Passover?  And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.”   (Matthew 26:17-18  KJV)          and later

“Now there was leaning on Jesus’ bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved. Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake. He then lying on Jesus’ breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it? Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it.”   (John 13:23-26 KJV)
“Jews gather at Passover Seders to recall their foundational story with gratitude and awe: God extracted an oppressed people from under the yoke of their oppressors, making of them a vibrant nation. The Seder of today acts out the drama of the past in order to keep the memory fresh. But at the same time, the tradition hints at a powerful alternate understanding of the Seder: God took the Israelites out of Egypt so that they would tell the story later. In other words, the events of the past took place so that they could be recounted in the future.”   (Tabletmag.com  ‘What’s the point of Passover’)

“Seder plate: The seder plate (there’s usually one per table) holds at least six of the ritual items that are talked about during the seder: the shankbone, karpas, chazeret, charoset, maror, and egg –  Zeroa: A roasted lamb or goat bone, symbolizing the korban Pesach (Pesach sacrifice), which was a lamb offered in the Temple in Jerusalem and was then roasted and eaten as part of the meal on Seder night.”    (Google search)

“In olden times (meaning in the times of the Talmud and before) the wealthy and noble class would recline while they ate, whereas simple poor people would eat while seated on the floor. Reclining is indicative of a person of leisure who has time to dine with out worrying an interruption that would cause him to get up. The importance of leaning at the Seder is explained that since we were slaves in Egypt and now we are free men, therefore we must act in accordance to our new status. Since it was the custom of noble men to eat while reclining on a sofa or on cushions, so today we are obligated to eat as noble men who recline.  …..  Reclining was done on the left side, not on the back and not on the right side.  …..   Now in those times eating was not done as we do with a knife and fork, but rather the food was prepared in the kitchen and brought in front of the individual diner on small personal trays (which took the place of our table) ready for the diner to eat using only his hands. Since the food was pre-prepared in the kitchen, it was possible to recline on the left side, using the left hand to support oneself and use the right hand to eat.”     (www.jewishmag.com ‘To lean or not to lean’)

Now picture – Jesus lying down on his left side with the disciple he loved “lying on his breast” – that to me is cuddling.   I can’t picture it any other way, can you?  That is not to say that Jesus was gay but that if he had a gay disciple that wanted to cuddle, Jesus would not deny him that security. Jesus loves all – EVEN GAYs.   It is amazing that it is almost impossible to find a image of a actual Seder where they are all lying on the ground  in the ancient style- NOT sitting at a table.  That’s too GAY to show. 

Does that mean that he was was gay because he had gay followers,  or a prostitute because he had prostitutes in his group.    – of course not.   But to love as Jesus loves is to accept others as brothers and sisters in Christ and not condemn then for what they think they are, “the lie of the devil their father”.   As he said “Father, forgive them they know not what they do”    This last point is another discussion and I will post my insights and understandings on that too.

Being “gay” is not just having sex but wanting to have a total relationship with another of the same sex.   Another post later.

And consider too Jesus broke bread to represent his body and did not choose the lamb – what insight could we gain from this ?    Another question to ponder or  meditate on.

God Bless

The Law, Christ, and the Bible story

Sawadee Khrap

“When “the law” is mentioned in the Bible, it harks back to the days of the Old Testament. There are hundreds of commands given to the Israelites, but the phrase “the law” refers specifically to the compilation of decrees found in the first five books of the Bible. This whole body of law was given the name Torah.

Obedience to this law was the awesome obligation of God’s people as they attempted to merit His favor and blessing. After all, Israel was His special people, and they were bound together in a solemn covenant with Him. So the laws are not just some rules laid down by the tribal chief, but they were the laws of the covenant community. When the law was transgressed, the covenant was broken, and so was the relationship with God! That’s why the law occupied such a huge place in the life of Israel.

In order to restore the broken relationship, sacrifices were required and penalties were prescribed. Yet all these sacrifices were really inadequate. They tried to lay the culprit’s guilt on a sheep or goat which was then killed – as though that scapegoat could really take away the guilt. True, God prescribed all this, but could such pitiful attempts at making amends ever really be adequate? In the Bible God is portrayed as so holy and just, that sin cannot be brushed aside. Actually the Bible presents sin as so horrendous that it merits death. This is the basic human predicament.”   (www.biblica.com  FAQ #17)

But if we look closely at the bible there is no law stated in Genesis 1, everything was made perfect and “good” and humans (male/female) in the image of Elohim (MOST HIGH GOD).   It wasn’t until Genesis 2 that Yahweh/Elohim, then just Yahweh (The LORD) made Adam from the dust of the earth, women from a rib of Adam, placed them in a garden and commanded they not eat the fruit of a Special tree because they will think they are gods, sin and know death.

It is in Genesis 2 and the rest of the Bible that the story of sin, sacrifice, suffering and finally death is told.  Yahweh made the body (the symbol of separation from God), dictated the Law to Moses, demanded sacrifices, took on human attributes such as anger, jealousy, vengefulness ,etc..

It is into this world (an Illusion) that Elohim sent his SON, the CHRIST, manifested in the form of Jesus to save the world from itself.  As Jesus stated:

“If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.  Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”  (John 8:42  KJV)

It is amazing that the same story is contained pictorially in the ancient Chinese language, almost identical to Genesis except “Tian” is used for “Elohim” and “Shang Di” for “Yahweh”.  With one major exception the Chinese pictographs were created 2500 years earlier than the writing of  Genesis by Moses. Both tell of the “garden”, fall into sin, the flood and the ship carrying 8 that were saved to become the forefathers, the tower, the confusing of tongues, dispersion across the lands, and the annual sacrifice demanded by the God.

In future posts I intend to expand more specifically on all of the ideas presented above.  And of course supply detailed references that I have used.

God Bless